Cumberbatch Family History

John James Munro Brown

Male 1832 - 1874  (~ 46 years)


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  • Name John James Munro Brown  [1, 2, 3
    Born Between 1828 and 1832  New York, New York, USA Find all individuals with events at this location  [2, 4, 5
    Gender Male 
    Name John Brown  [4, 5
    Occupation 10 Feb 1850  [1
    Printer 
    Residence 10 Feb 1850  Marylebone, London, England Find all individuals with events at this location  [1
    Occupation 30 Mar 1851  [2
    Printer & Compositor 
    Residence 30 Mar 1851  67 Pratt Street, St Pancras, London, England Find all individuals with events at this location  [2
    Occupation 7 Apr 1861  [4
    Printer Pressman 
    Residence 7 Apr 1861  25 High Street, East Side, St Pancras, London, England Find all individuals with events at this location  [4
    Occupation 2 Apr 1871  [5
    Printers Press Man 
    Residence 2 Apr 1871  23 Havelock Road, Hackney, London, England Find all individuals with events at this location  [5
    Occupation 12 Aug 1871  [3
    Gold Printer 
    Died Between Jan 1874 and Mar 1874  West Ham Registration District, London, England Find all individuals with events at this location 
    Person ID I8703  Cumberbatch
    Last Modified 15 Jul 2016 

    Father John Brown 
    Family ID F2129  Group Sheet  |  Family Chart

    Family Elizabeth Finch,   b. Abt 1828, Kensington, London, England Find all individuals with events at this location,   d. Between Apr 1883 and Jun 1883, Hackney, London, England Find all individuals with events at this location  (Age ~ 55 years) 
    Married 10 Feb 1850  St Marylebone Parish Church, St Marylebone, London, England Find all individuals with events at this location  [6
    Children 
     1. Edward James Brown,   b. Abt Jun 1850, St Pancras, Camden, London, England Find all individuals with events at this location
     2. Thomas Brown,   b. Abt 1853, St Pancras, Camden, London, England Find all individuals with events at this location
     3. Frances Brown,   b. Abt 1854, St Pancras, Camden, London, England Find all individuals with events at this location
     4. Francis Brown,   b. Abt 1859, Shoreditch, London, England Find all individuals with events at this location
     5. Jesse Brown,   b. Abt 1862, London, England Find all individuals with events at this location
     6. Walter Brown,   b. Abt 1864, St Pancras, London, England Find all individuals with events at this location
     7. Albert Brown,   b. Abt 1867, Lambeth, Surrey, England Find all individuals with events at this location
    Last Modified 15 Jul 2016 
    Family ID F2693  Group Sheet  |  Family Chart

  • Event Map
    Link to Google MapsBorn - Between 1828 and 1832 - New York, New York, USA Link to Google Earth
    Link to Google MapsResidence - 10 Feb 1850 - Marylebone, London, England Link to Google Earth
    Link to Google MapsMarried - 10 Feb 1850 - St Marylebone Parish Church, St Marylebone, London, England Link to Google Earth
    Link to Google MapsResidence - 30 Mar 1851 - 67 Pratt Street, St Pancras, London, England Link to Google Earth
    Link to Google MapsResidence - 7 Apr 1861 - 25 High Street, East Side, St Pancras, London, England Link to Google Earth
    Link to Google MapsResidence - 2 Apr 1871 - 23 Havelock Road, Hackney, London, England Link to Google Earth
    Link to Google MapsDied - Between Jan 1874 and Mar 1874 - West Ham Registration District, London, England Link to Google Earth
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  • Notes 
    • Two more snippets from New York City Directories [a bit like the yellow pages] :
      New York, Genealogical Records, 1675-1920 about John W. Brown
      Name: John W. Brown
      Residence Date: 1835
      Residence Place: New York City, New York, New York, United States
      Comments: Printer

      New York, Genealogical Records, 1675-1920 about John W. BrownSource Citation: Longworth's American Almanac, New-York Register, and City Directory; Publication Place: New York; Publisher: Thomas Longworth; Publication Year: 1835; Page Number: 123.
      Name: John W. Brown
      Residence Date: 1850
      Residence Place: New York City, New York, New York, United States
      Comments: Printer

      Source Citation: Doggett's New York City Directory, For 1849-1850; Publication Place: New York; Publisher: John Doggett, Jr. & Co.; Publication Year: 1850; Page Number: 68.

      So we know he was living in New York in 1835 so he should be in the New York City & US State Censuses between 1835, 1840 & 1850 obviously with John James Munro as a child.
    • Name: John W. Brown [The Father]
      Age: 85
      Birth Year: abt 1795
      Birthplace: England
      Home in 1880: New York City, New York, New York
      Race: White
      Gender: Male
      Relation to Head of House: Father [Probably grandfather]
      Marital Status: Widower
      Father's Birthplace: England
      Mother's Birthplace: England
      Occupation: Printer

      Household Members: Name Age
      John W. Brown 25
      Frank Brown 26
      Mary Brown 2
      John W. Brown 85

      Source Citation: Year: 1880; Census Place: New York City, New York, New York; Roll: 889; Family History Film: 1254889; Page: 433A; Enumeration District: 463; Image: 0438.

      The last three columns of the census:
      • Birth place of this person: England [for John W BROWN the father]
      • Birthplace of father: England [for John W BROWN the father]
      • Birth place of Mother: England [for John W BROWN the father]

      This is from the 1880 US census of House 310, West Forty Third Street, New York City, USA. John W BROWN a Printer, aged 85 and widowed, so born in 1795, is the Father of John W Brown Junior who is living with him and this John the son claims to have been bornin England. The father is born in England and according to their son his Mother was born in England too. So my guess is that your uncle should look for a John W BROWN born in England around 1795. Things might be a lot easier if your uncle tries to find John W BROWN, his wife and family in a New York/US census before 1850 – this should them all living together. Finding the wife’s name and the children’s birth/baptism if he can, may help to reveal from where in England they came from. I’ll see if I can dig anything more up on the family. Do plough through www.familysearch.org as they do have good coverage of New York too.

      The BIG issue here though is that John W Brown Junior the son claims to be a 25year old son of an 85 year old man. Not impossible just improbable so they could be grandson/grandparent. I’ll see if I can find any more.

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      The father outlived the son.

      Deaths Mar 1874 BROWN John James M Age:42 West Ham v:4a p:62


  • Sources 
    1. [S77] Marriage Certificate - England, British Government, (Name: London;), 1850 10 Feb 1850; No: 469; John James Munro BROWN (Printer) & Elizabeth FINCH; both of St Marylebone; Fathers: John Brown (Printer) & Wm FINCH (Baker).

    2. [S102] 1851 England Census, Ancestry.com, (Name: The Generations Network, Inc.; Location: Provo, UT, USA; Date: 2005;), HO107; Piece: 1497; Folio: 116; Page: 80.

    3. [S77] Marriage Certificate - England, British Government, (Name: London;), 1871 Sep Qtr Edward James BROWN & Mary Ann SMITH Hackney 1b 669.

    4. [S103] 1861 England Census, Ancestry.com, (Name: The Generations Network, Inc.; Location: Provo, UT, USA; Date: 2005;), RG9; Piece: 115; Folio: 71; Page: 1.

    5. [S7494] 1871 England Census, RG10; Piece: 331; Folio: 81; Page: 26.

    6. [S77] Marriage Certificate - England, British Government, (Name: London;), 1850 10 Feb 1850; No: 469; John James Munro BROWN (Printer) & Elizabeth FINCH; both of St Marylebone; Fathers: John Brown (Printer)& Wm FINCH (Baker).
      1850 10 Feb 1850; No: 469; John James Munro BROWN (Printer) & Elizabeth FINCH; both of St Marylebone; Fathers: John Brown (Printer)& Wm FINCH (Baker)